
Exodus is the story of the Israelites' journey to freedom from slavery. The central drama is crossing the Red Sea which was made possible by a miraculous parting of the waters. Throughout history, the exact location of the crossing has been hotly debated and centers on the translation of the name of the body of water. Red Sea is a direct and undisputed translation of the Greek name Erythra Thalassa which may simply be the Greek color-identifier for a southern sea. The original Hebrew name, Yam Suph, has been translated as Reed Sea and has no etymological connection to Erythra Thalassa.
Biblical scholars have theorized that the Exodus story was based on an ancient psalm entitled Song of the Sea found embedded in the Jawist source of Torah. According to this song, the original incident clearly places the crossing in the Gulf of Aqaba. The references to the "Edomites, Moabites and inhabitants of Philistia" make this identification certain. The map above does not show the Gulf of Aqaba so perhaps Greek speakers did not have a frame of reference for this arm of the Red Sea.
When it was widely disseminated that Yam Suph translates to Reed Sea, everyone turned their attention elsewhere to find this sea of reeds. While papyrus thrives in brackish water, the Gulf of Aqaba is much too salty to sustain any form of shoreline vegetation. In ancient depictions, the lakes of the Nile delta were choked with many species of reeds and popular opinion moved the location of the Yam Suph nearer to ancient Egypt. However, other biblical passages place the Yam Suph in the Gulf of Aqaba and it is never associated - in scripture - with the Nile delta. In Exodus, the Hebrews quit Goshen and Ramses; assumed to be places in the region of the Nile. The ancient Egyptian sphere of influence went far beyond the Nile river and delta area. Evidence shows that the Egyptians were involved in copper mining throughout the Sinai, Negev and Jordan Valley. Wadi Faynan in Jordan and the Timna mines north of Eilat, Israel are two examples. Egyptian scarabs, aegides of Maut and images of Hathor have been discovered at these locations. The copper deposits in the Faynan and Timna districts belong to the same family of rock-hosted mineral deposits. Host rocks are part of Early Cambrian lagoonal strata and both sites are geologically identical.
The Gulf of Aqaba, Arava and Dead Sea of the Great Rift Valley divide the Arabian and African plates of the supercontinent Gondwanaland. The Sinai Peninsula is part of the African plate and has historically been administratively controlled by Africans. Slave labor and complex supply chains for the ancient bronze market would have required a powerful and organized controller of people. Industrial scale copper smelting at the Rift Valley sites has been ongoing for 5,000 years. In the early and and middle Bronze Age, it was the Egyptians that had the military might to exploit and control an industrial operation. A powerful Egyptian colonial power subjugating an indigenous Rift Valley populace could produce enough smelted copper to supply the entire ancient world! If Hebrew speaking slaves quit Goshen and Ramses, then the copper mines of the Rift Valley could not be eliminated as their point of departure.
Fluvial Geomorphology is the study of river related landforms. The FG of the southern Arava was perennial meandering streams 7,500 years ago. In Water, Life & Civilization: Climate, Environment and Society in the Jordan Valley, the data suggests "wet conditions requiring an excess of precipitation over evaporation." Rainfall 7.5 ka BP may have been as high as 800 mm per year. Surveys of pollen show that the Faynan region was on the southern edge of the Mediterranean Forest Zone with "C4 sedge (papyrus) becoming the dominant plant in the south". Arava means willow and the paleosol record has periods of calcrete nodule formation. Calcretions are formed by a simultaneous increase in temperature and rainfall which may have been aided by a canopy of water-soaking willows.
The Rift Valley is a narrow tube hemmed in on both sides by mountain ranges until it reaches Sharm el Sheik in the Sinai. Sea water fills the deep crevice in the south and silt fills in the central Arava.Water would have a hard time escaping this tub/tube because of the concave topography. A picture is emerging of an ancient valley swampland giving way to trees in higher elevations. Papyrus would have choked the lowland and become a natural barrier between Africa and Arabia as was the Gulf of Aqaba. Traveling northward, the swamp becomes willow and sycamore and finally hardwood forests of the Mediterranean Forest Zone. The Dead Sea and Sea of Galilee were combined into one body of water which was replenished by the Hermon snow melt.

The rapid desertification of this region is profound compared to similar ancient population centers. The Faynan industrial complex could be the reason. The amount of charcoal required for the furnaces of the bronze age surely contributed to deforestation. Locating the copper mines on the southern boundary of a forest zone would be a convenient source of fuel.. Slaves to work the mines could be obtained from local people but would be hard to control. The sea of papyrus would have been a welcoming refuge for escaping slaves or those that did not want to become the property of the Pharaoh. The chariots and horses of the Egyptian state would be useless in the impenetrable suph.
Moses had sojourned in Midian (Arabia) and so was familiar with the mountain passages as well as the suph sea. He had to cross it in his escape after murdering an Egyptian. A man traveling through suph would be hidden by walls of reeds and sound would be baffled. Having a common Egyptian enemy may have united escaping slaves so that they gave assistance to others in similar situations.One important way to help would have been to show them the hidden passages through the suph sea. Symbols for pathways could easily be translated into lines for mapping of escape routes.
Teba is a reed word that may be from tef (tsuf, suph, chufa) and is used to build words that are "unsinkable". Reeds stand high above the water, can be hollow and, when bundled together, can hold a man afloat. Tub and tube may be words stemming from the unsinkable word for the ark of Moses - teba. As a baby, Moses had been found floating in a teba amongst the suph of the Nile. Another teba was the floating ark of the deluge. Noah floated his household and livestock so they would not sink. The Akkadian tabalu is a continent which was thought to float above the primordial water. Syriac tabayl is the "world fit for habitation" or that which would not sink. Table and tablet must also originate from teba. Moses knew the hidden roads and topography from tablets of reed writing (Arabic k'tob). Since he had sojourned here before he knew where the sea floor was gently sloping and where it dropped off into the chasm of the tehowm. Moses seems to have lured the Egyptians into the water and perhaps the charioteers were not familiar with the area and did not know about the crack in the earth.
There is such a place in the Gulf of Aqaba. It has a gently sloping shoreline but then suddenly drops off into a deep crevice. It is called Taba and is the ancient name given to the place where the suph met the abyss of the tehowm. Taba is located on the ancient edge of the tub of suph. Perhaps this is precisely where the Israelites entered the water and so has always been remembered as the place of the unsinkable Taba.
teba/teviya: perhaps related to "tap", eg. papyrus, pounding inner bark into loincloth (Congo Pygmy) or skirt (Polynesian tapa/kapa cloth), and also to the tapping of Indian rubber trees & Maple "sap" & SE Asian 'toddy' or 'tuba' palm wine, and possibly to 'coop', a copper hoop around an oak barrel of staves. Copper was first pounded to form, this causes it to heat up, later it was deliberately "cooked" to soften and mold.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, "-ine" seems to indicate preserving/salting/tanning of material, eg. marine/saline/urine/brine/brain/rind/grain/grind
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Erythra ~ Eritrea?
ReplyDeletetaba: step/diagonal cf steep-le/stupa/tipi/topi, mastaba (stepped mound of tables), cf merkaba (encircled square, limestone block in drumwheel), ~saba/sa'at/sabbath/shabat/seventh,
tapping stone = chipping/cutting?
apa - hearth/heart lifted at center of camp ring (Gobekle Tepe?), taba-yl ~ dry habitat (above water).
Kampala, Uganda may relate to apa & Malay kampong (village) & api (fire).
India: chakra = wheel
in Suph, sound would be muffled/muzzled not baffled?
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I think teba may be related to "top" as "rosh" is related to "rush". - Susan
ReplyDeletehub<->tub = hoop<->tube (round, bell/ball)
ReplyDeletekab<->tab = coop<->cube (planar, bind, box)
katu: India possibly lavu/kota (saami tipi)
taba: stepped ridge/rim/ring of fire/shore
Celtic: traict = tidal shoreline, littoral
I agree taba is a stepped ridge or that which did not sink. It remained standing everything else sank away. Sink is related to cinch or cinq which is 5 or a fist of five fingers. A fist can seize and squeeze. It is related to sphinter and sphinx "the strangler". There is speculation that the sphinx was carved from a teba or "that which did not sink away". It may have been surrounded by water at one point. - Susan
ReplyDeleteThe uniquely American gambrel barn is said to have derived from Indonesian architecture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasak_architecture which seems similar to the Iraqi water barns
ReplyDeletegambrel: viola de gamba, Late Latin gamba (“hoof”), perhaps from Greek καμπή 'bend; joint' (cf. however reflexes of Proto-Indo-European *ḱoph₂ó- 'hoof'). Swahili: bark Spain: shrimp
ReplyDeletePossibly linked to umbrella/bell, 2 angled slopes
FLoating would parallel rising above?
Gamba from kuphos? What happened to the "M"?
ReplyDeleteHebrew Kaphoof - hunchback. I could see why a shrimp would be described as hunchback. - Susan
Kaphoof is also bending the bow (bough) for stringing. Kaphoof/kuph is a hebrew letter composed of a bent line over a straight line (like an umbrella). - Susan
ReplyDeleteto hunch or cinch a strap too? (synch-ronise?) I think in Greek it is kampe, which could link to the peripheral paths between huts surrounding the camp central fire, differentiated from the spokes radiating out/inwards between huts and heath.
ReplyDeleteround roof = hoof?
Sudan: Arabic 'bilad al sudan' = land of black, could it be related to Dan & Jordan Rivers (south Dan?)? (Eng. South, Span. Sud?, Ar. Saud?, Malay Selatan)
ReplyDelete(previous comment: peripheral paths, as compared to radiating spoke paths)
gamba - swahili: bark [likely , the growing live layer between outer bark and wood (xylem) of tree]
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I found a word "swombho" which means "spongey" as in a swamp. Sump is also a swamp word.
ReplyDeleteCamp is khana (with a khuf).
The "hoof" is a straight bone ending in a "cuff".
"Heaven" may be related (Germanic hoeffen)
Susan
correction: (previous comment: peripheral ANGLED/BENT paths, as compared to radiating STRAIGHT spoke paths)
ReplyDelete(I used left and right arrows to bracket the capitalised words, but that must be software code, since the words disappeared)
gamba - swahili: bark
[likely origin of CAMBIUM, the growing alive layer between outer bark ring and inner wood rings (xylem) of tree, again relates to camp ring of (living) huts around hearth. The center of a tree (heartwood) is often hollowed (halo/hole/golu) due to fungus & wood beetles, while the surface bark may be attacked by fungus & bark beetles, but the cambium and xylem survive, good building wicker wood.
Good book: On the origin of teepees by Johnie Hughes (biology, anthropology) of plains peoples
DDeden
In PIE, KwEKwE (cook, kitchen) is very similar to KwEKwELo (coop, cyclo, wheel), likely both from guelo/ngolu since in Chinese gulu & Polish kolo is wheel and Italian cuccina & French cuisine is cooking/kitchen.
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Khuf is a "k'naph" (willow canopy) ecosystem supporting "khoof" (forest monkeys) that are primates with 360 shoulder "cuffs" (rotation). The ankles of people are "cuffs" for suph walking. -Susan
ReplyDeleteK'naph is like "camp". Sounds like the camp of the people of Yam Suph is a willow canopy.
ReplyDelete3ka bronze age Fenland: nettle stew & string, willow weaving, 24' oak dugout longboats with sterns
ReplyDeletehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/dec/04/bronze-age-archaeology-fenland
Cab - from cabriolet (carriage with springy suspension) said to derive from capri (springing goat) but I suspect also from hub/kheb/cabin.
ReplyDeletecube - L. cubus, from Gk. kybos "a cube, vertebra," from PIE base *keu(b)- "to bend, turn."
Kaaba - Arabic ka'bah "square house," from ka'b "cube."
kavadi - Hindu, ritual frame back basket? (merkaba/arc/sedan chair/riksha/travoix?)
cowrie - small shell, used as money in parts of Asia, 1660s, from Hindi and Urdu kauri, from Mahrati kavadi, from Skt. kaparda, perhaps related to Tamil kotu "shell."
katu - Sinhala/Tamil? - bind (cut w/ shell?)
Camp- circle of Life? Medicine wheel/chakra
Koob - hollow out.
ReplyDeleteKov - Heel as in "Yacov" the cuff of the Israelites.
Cove and cave must be related to Kov
Kophar - cover over as in "smearing pitch on the teba of Noah"
K'naph - Willow canopy or that which overhangs. A circle does not have an "overhanging" attribute.
A lowland swamp graduating to higher elevations would have the exact right elevation for every type of tree and sedge.
What is aqaba?
ReplyDeleteAlso known as Gulf of Eilat.
ReplyDeleteI'm unclear on 'cuff', is it the cone angle of a hoof, similar to the cone roof of a drum-cone hut or yurt? If so, it would have been significant after the forest leaf dome was replaced by the plains grass dome which was then replaced by the drum & cone (village) hut but before the cube & pyramid roof (enclosed town) hut.
ReplyDeleteThe original dome hut had no angles/corners, the drum-cone hut had a central roof apex, the cube-pyramid hut had 4/5/6/8 corners...
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Kov seems related to a cove/bay, all being a curved (hoof-shaped lagoon) body attached to a larger body (sea), cloven meaning a split cuff/hoof (mudhole of hoofprint would have an isthmus). Suph might have meant both "flooded" field/velt and individual sedge plants, while khofar/knaf/kov meant cover over (above) open water?
ReplyDeleteDhofar - Oman 100ka had Nubian stone tech., possibly roundboats (Nubia hut- galus)
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.00282\39
The Nubian Complex of Dhofar, Oman:
An African Middle Stone Age Industry in Southern Arabia
The Toda of the nirilgiri(?) hills of So. India raise dairy buffalo, each family has a small private herd, but they also have a communal herd which are only milked inside the temple, somewhat like a "gambrel-roofed dairy barn" with a bi-horn symbol on the gable, picture reminding me of Catal Huyok.
ReplyDeleteInteresting, their hill neighbors include a clan of potters (the Kota) and 2 Hunter-gatherer clans.
I think the cuff/khuf is the bendy part of the willow, the bendy part of the shoulder connection and the bendy part of the ankle. Comparing like traits that exploited same ecosystem created meaningful a meaningful meme called "khuf".
ReplyDeletesome etym. trivia:
ReplyDelete(Hurdle kept herds in and hordes out)
wicket: early 13c., "small door or gate," from Anglo-Fr. wiket, from O.N.Fr. wiket (Fr. guichet) "wicket, wicket gate," probably from P.Gmc. *wik- (cf. O.N. vik "nook") related to O.E. wican "to give way, yield" (see weak). The notion is of "something that turns."
coppice: Gk. kolaphos "a blow, cuff"
cophinus: "basket, hamper" (cf. It. cafano, Sp. cuebano "basket"), from Gk. kophinos "a basket"
junket:late 14c., "basket in which fish are caught or carried," from M.L. iuncata "rush basket," perhaps from L. iuncus "rush."
canister: late 15c., "basket," from L. canistrum "wicker basket" for bread, fruit, flowers, etc., from Gk. kanystron "basket made from reed," from kanna
hod: 1570s, alteration of M.E. hott "pannier" (c.1300), from O.Fr. hotte "basket to carry on the back," apparently from Frankish *hotta
hurdle: O.E. hyrdel "frame of intertwined twigs used as a temporary barrier," dim. of hyrd "door," from P.Gmc. *hurdiz "wickerwork frame, hurdle" (cf. O.S. hurth "plaiting, netting," Du. horde "wickerwork," Ger. Hürde "hurdle, fold, pen;" O.N. hurð, Goth. haurds "door"), from PIE *krtis (cf. L. cratis "hurdle, wickerwork," Gk. kartalos "a kind of basket," kyrtos "fishing creel"), from base *kert- "to weave, twist together" (cf. Skt. krt "to spin").
chest: PIE *kista "woven container"
L. scutella "serving platter," dim. of scutra "flat tray, dish," perhaps related to scutum "shield"
basket: L. fiscus "treasury," originally "purse, basket made of twigs (in which money was kept)
coop: "small cage for poultry," mid-14c., from O.E. cype, cypa "basket, cask," akin to M.Du. kupe, Swed. kupa, and all probably from L. cupa "tub, cask," from PIE *keup- "hollow mound" (see cup [Sanskrit coppa], gufa, gopherwood).
cyto-: Mod.L. comb. form from Gk. kytos "a hollow, receptacle, basket" (from PIE *ku-ti-, from base *(s)keu- "to cover, conceal;" (Sanskrit ka-tu: bind/bound)
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kot: Slovene - corner, angle; Dutch - garden shed; Hungarian - to bind, tie, rope;
ReplyDeletekota: koti Finn tipi-like hut, Proto-Finno-Ugric *kota. Cognates include Estonian kodu (home) and Hungarian ház (house). koti: Swahili - coat
kotan: Georgian gutan (plow, garden?), Khotan China?
Kotas or Kothar or Kov by self-designation are an ethnic group who are indigenous to the Nilgiris mountain range in Tamil Nadu, India.
ko-v meant a male potter and ko-ty a female potter
At some point in their history they developed a symbiotic economic relationship with the buffalo rearing Toda neighbours as service providers in return for Toda’s buffalo milk, hides, ghee, and meat. Origin myth of Kotas postulates that Kotas, Todas, and Kurumbas were all placed in the Nilagiris area at once as brothers by the Kota god. Kota religion and culture revolved around the smithy.[19] They did not identify with the Hinduism of the plains folks
There is also Kota people of west Africa and Kotan/Kutchin people of Alaska...
A khuf or cuff is the hollowed out portion resembling a cup that is attached by muscle or tendon to a bone that rotates. Perhaps the rotator cuff is the circle symbol you are looking for. Also, a potter turns a mass of clay on a wheel to make a hollowed out vessel that looks like a cup.
ReplyDelete- Old Norse hjord (herd).
Kota/Kot/Cot/Ket -
ReplyDeleteKet/Kot: Siberian people linguistically related to N Am. Na Dene Indians (athabascan, apache), live along angul(?) river fishing/boating
Cot/Ket: Scottish fleece (Scot?), Russian salmon
Kota: India- clay potters (pot/clot/cot/coat?)
Kota: Congo woodcarvers (related to pot making?)
Cota: conic tent of Saami/Lapp (tipi, lavu)
cota - fish flesh, fish skin used as ancient glue
cotton? pliant fiber of flax/reed/root/wood/bark
Kota: Malay fort
makota: Malay crown
Lakota/Dakota/Nakota: dwelling (generic, both plains tipi & forest wigwam)
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Chaeta - bristle, hair
ReplyDeletecatgut - sinew used for stringed instruments
gut also
ReplyDeletejunket:late 14c., "basket in which fish are caught or carried," from M.L. iuncata "rush basket," perhaps from L. iuncus "rush."
ReplyDeletelikely both junket and basket from -ket from cata/katu/kot/kit, assemblage of round/bound firm but pliant fibers to make fish trap etc. In India, a fish trap is kudu, while in Tibet a cup-shaped roundboat is kudru.
Perhaps these -ket words are from KHatsats "to cut". Khatsats is Khuf (bendy willow or foot or shoulder joint) + tsadic. Many, many "cut" words in Hebrew made up of Khuf + tsadic. To make a trap or canoe first you must cut the reed. A different sound from "Khoob" to hollow out.
ReplyDeleteAbba (Aram. father) ~ apa (hub/campfire)
ReplyDeleteArabic abu (father or ash), ibu (mother)
ma-ngolu - (dome huts around apa Mbuti
deus/zeus - day sky god
jupiter - deu/diu (day-sun) + pitar (father)
jup~hoop- cycle (circle) of day light?
(abba/taba/-kaba/-staba/-qaba)
cut/khat/ka(tu)/etc. common, stone flake blades
DDeden
Aleph Bet/Vet (ab) means "to originate" (of?). I have found many words in Afro-Asiatic dictionary that use this combination for calf, hind, buttocks of animals.
ReplyDeleteseat - hedra (side)
ReplyDeleteMandan people of Dakota rivers had both round earth-lodges and wicker roundboats (bowl-shaped coracle bullboats, with tied crossings, outer buffalo fur to prevent spinning), which were used as central-hole fire/smoke-hole covers. Women built the lodges, boats and tended gardens, men hunted bison and traded. Perhaps mandan/montan & bullboat were mong/mound & bowl/golu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandan
(see painting of lodges with roundboats on top)
http://www.lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=1002
7' diam., paddles were punt poles with inserted & lashed boards
Susan,
ReplyDeleteThis is an excellent piece. Very informative and corrective of some erroneous information found on the web and in books. You rock!
Merry Christmas to you and to your family. May this time be blessed.
Thanks and Merry Christmas!
ReplyDeleteI don't understand why it is not widely known that the Arava was a swamp.
Susan
"These lines could be cut into wet clay with a reed stylus. Reading reed roads (w)rought by (w)riting reed rods. Rush also is a word for reed."
ReplyDeletewrit/rune
wet clay/velum/wood - carved/engraved surface
drawn plow/furrow farming - dravidian
vedic - vatican - leviticus (w(r)itten law/leg.)
(dervish/druid/deva/deus/dyaus)
VeTC = GeBT = KeMT
graphiti/craft hamesh/hamsa/hand hook/hoe
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Vedic - Vatican - Wat (Thai Buddhist Temple) - word - all must have derived from water/wet mixed with clay/charcoal (ink) (Hittite: watar), stone engraving must have followed later, long after plow/prau & furrow/paaru.
ReplyDeleteTorquay/Torbay, Devon coastal village, site of Kent's cavern paleolithic hand axes, refers to a quay (dock) of Tor, I think related to door-way and targe/targa (shield) and to doorsil (doorshield) and threshold (tor shield?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torquay
maybe connects torc/torque to door, as entry/portal?
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A torc is twisted lengths of metal, twisted again together to form a device that gives power. It does not seem to have the meaning of an entry portal.
ReplyDeleteTorquay is said to be from (stone) tower quay, but earlier from latin wall, which needs a gate.
ReplyDeletethreshold- tred, but relates to excluding something also.
Gk. pylon "gateway," from pyle "gate," of unknown origin. (similar to Greek shield hoplon/pelon)
Irish: torc - boar (possibly a twisty pigs tail?)
ReplyDeletetor/torre - turret/tower
I do think torquay relates to doorway of sea/ship cf portal, not just stone peaks & dock.
English torques (1690s) twisted metal necklace, from PIE *twork-/*twerk- "twist"
thresh - stamp
sill/cill - from P.Gmc. *suljo (cf. O.N. svill "framework of a building," M.L.G. sull, O.H.G. swelli, Ger. Schwelle "sill"), perhaps from PIE base *swel- "post, board" (cf. Gk. selma "beam
Sill/cill also relates to sleet/chill/cold in more distant languages, including dolu (Turkish), indicating shielding the entry from cold, which fits doorshield, and in Ket (related to Apache) door is attor & atol (wattle fence):
ReplyDeletehttp://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/etymology.cgi?single=1&basename=/data/drav/telet&text_number=1268&root=config
Proto-Yenisseian: *ʔa(ʔ)t-
Sino-Caucasian etymology: Sino-Caucasian etymology
Meaning: door, part of the house before the door
Ket: attɔ5,6 , pl. attɔ́n ( < attɔ:n3) 'part of the house before the door'
Yug: atnto5, pl. atnton5 'part of the house before the door'
Kottish: athol, *athōl, pl. athōlaŋ, (Бол.) atol 'door'; Ass. átōl (М., Сл., Кл., Ф.), atūl (Кл.), atol (Срсл.) id.; Koib. atōl (Ф.) id.
Arin: éjt́ōl (М., Кл., Сл.1, Ф.), ejtol (Срсл.), éjtōl (Сл.2), ejt́ol (Ф.), itel (Лоск.) 'door'
Comments: ССЕ 179. Already in PY we have a compound of *ʔat- with a not quite clear second component (*-to or *-tol ~ *tor1: cf. perhaps Ket. tōĺ "wattle fence"?). Similarity with Hung. ajtó 'door' (Хелимский КС 248), is probably coincidental (or represents an old "Hunnic" loanword in Hungarian). Werner 1, 80.
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Perhaps the "tor" part of "torquay" is from "torr" (tower) - also "tour" French tower, "turris" Latin tower, Troy (fortified town). Add to that the "guay" (key?) but I am not sure what that means. I think it means an entrance to a harbour. Torquay may mean a protected entrance to a fortified town.
ReplyDelete...also eTRUSCan.
ReplyDeleteYes, (Troy/ Etruscan) may relate to door-shield of tower or so. I found that some words cross-correlate between Uralic-Sumerian-Tamil & Altaic, including kota - house.
ReplyDeleteI am wondering if the River trading Mandan of North Dakota Knife River who lived in earth lodges with roundboats covering the central chimney and used summer tipis to hunt buffalo are closely related to the Ma'dan of the Iraqi marshlands who possibly used tigris-style roundboats (qufa) before adapting long canoes & rafts.
"Marsh Arabs poling a traditional mashoof [note sound, ma(r)sh-khoof?] in the marshes of southern Iraq. The Marsh Arabs, or Ma'dan, dwell in the marshlands of the Tigris-Euphrates system in the south and east of Iraq and along the Iranian border."
They may have domesticated the water buffalo, using it to pull roundboats in the marsh before switching to linear watercraft. (Compare Toda buffalo herders of Nilgirri highlands of India and their Kota neighbors)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Catlin_mandan_village.jpg
Note gambrel-style roof & cupola chimney!
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That is exactly my long held belief. The North Dakota NDNs may be the northern migrants of the ancient Mississippi river valley mound builders (Altaic?). BTW, these people are my ancestors on my Mother's side. They have a legend that they survived a great flood by climbing up the stalk of a reed.
ReplyDeleteKapan, Armenia: Kapan is primarily a mining city, hence its Persian name of the Qajar time معدن (Ma'dan, meaning "mine").
ReplyDeleteNote that the Mandan were popular Plains flint traders, and the Tigris roundboats were used to transport flint from Assyrian/Armenian mountains.
dama: Sanskrit, house
ReplyDeleteoikos: Greek house (wikus cf ficus/fig twig) wigwam/wickiup, vika/vector/wick/wig
"dan" as river-related:
Jordan, Dan, Sudan (south?), Ma'dan, Lake Tana (Nile), Tana Delta (Red Sea), Danakil, PIE-Ural Don/Dniepr/Danube, Den/Dane vikings/vika, dam, OE river valley: denu, Snskrt dhanu: shore
Hebrew or Egyptian "dan" meaning?
DDeden (perhaps from Dedan of Arabia?)
Dan was an Israelite tribe that wanted to "remain near their ships." Apparently, they were also excellent smiths and some accounts say they fashioned the golden temple ware. Here is a link about the Danan or Danoi http://ensignmessage.com/archives/mariners.html
ReplyDelete"And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations." - Genesis 10:4-5
'phoenix' means palm in Greek, per one source
ReplyDeleteI suspect these were linked via water: Phoenicia/Venetia/Finnic/Punic/Pontic
Urala - UiRaLa - water - go - land
http://www.paabo.ca/uirala/FinnoUgricbkgd.html
http://www.paabo.ca/uirala/index.html
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Dan -
ReplyDeleteNa Dene? (athabascan/ket/apache)
La Tene? (European celt culture)
fenn - wetlands of Britain?
finno - pre-viking
For the Greek palm do you mean "hand" or "tree"? Although both seem to be related to keeping count; the rings of a tree or fingers of hands. Hebrew paum is sole of hand or sole of foot and also means to keep time (cadence). But then there is the problem with "apple". Pomum, pomegranate, pomme de terre. That needs more thought.
ReplyDeleteThe water link may be in terms of locomotion. "swim" is to swivel the fin (O.E.swifan) and finnic/punic/punt is a type of water locomotion as well (see earlier post; "Punt")
...rings of a tree. Perhaps that's why we "ring" in the new year.
ReplyDeleteThere seems to have been a lot of crossbreeding with phoenix/phoinix etc. Perhaps feathers & palm fronds & fish fins were considered the same thing, so sails/paddles would use similar words.
ReplyDeletefin/finn/phoen/pen/punt/point
So maybe both hand and tree, in different contexts/dialects/areas/times.
http://www.google.com/search?q=palm+phoenix+greek&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
Perhaps 'fin/pen' simply meant protrusion originally (pen, pin, penis, fin), then when in combination (duplicated) became other things (penta, fingers) and verbs (pinch/pitch/poke).
ReplyDeleteDuring Ice Age, PIE was west of Urals & north of Alps/Carp. (Baltic blonding due to heavy cloud cover from Gulf Stream which prevented hard freezing), then after they spread west (Scot. redheads from Baltic blondes) & east (Crimea) and south (Anatolia Persia/Indus Aryans), always males mixing with local females I guess (auburn/black wavy hair), a predecessor of much later Viking longboats. The original PIE island/coast was completely submerged when glaciers melted. Meanwhile central Asians lightened skin but not hair? Not sure though...
Another Rosh Pina or pinion of the pinnacle is French "pense" to think. The pinion/palm operates the feathers/fingers and pense operates arms and legs much the same way.
ReplyDeleteBoth pinch and pitch indicate grasping and holding an object, to hold a pin requires pinching it. Hindi panca (5) resembles phoenicia. Palm/punch derived from open or closed fist, closed fist required to grasp a pole, open fist to shake hands & to paddle.
ReplyDeleteSphinx is a pinch word and may be related to its alternative name of "The Strangler". Sphincter is a also a pinch word but not with the hand :)
ReplyDeleteGulf of Lihyan = Gulf of aqaba
ReplyDeleteCity of Dedan; the capital of the ancient Lihyanite Empire 600-200BC. Today the city is called al Ula.
http://brotherpete.com/oldest_mosque_qibla.htm
"When the angles of the Qibla of the mosques in Wasit, Baghdad and Cairo are plotted on a map they actually triangulate to a location near Al-`Ula (which was Dedan - inhabited perhaps as early as the 8th century BC)." Dedan: "Their Solomon like temples appear to have been used for sacrificing she-camels, black camels and other livestock to the God Dhu Ghaibat."
Rather than point-ing to Mecca, these pointed to Dedan for prayer direction... interesting.
Linguists have determined "spin" comes from *PIE; to stretch. IMO it comes from pin. Spinning involves pinching fiber and drawing out with a spindle.
ReplyDeleteThe 'alula' is the thumb of the eagle's wing, it aids in stall control, and functionally similar to the trimtab of a ship's rudder. Coincidentally my hometown, Red Wing, MN (known for Red Wing shoes)was named for the Dakota chief, who wore a dyed wing.
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One later chief was Walking Buffalo, the village was known as Hamnicha/Remnica, earlier a punji-log pallisaded trading village between the Canon River & Mississippi R. (wetland rushes, willows, oaks, beaver lodges), the people M'dewakanton Dakota (similar sound to ma'dan/mandan) seasonally moved to Prairie Island, where there is now a reservation.
ReplyDelete"Mdewakanton ('mystery lake village,' from mde 'lake', wakan 'sacred mystery' [parallel to vedic/vatic-/wat?], otonwe 'village')."
"The Dakota, which translates closely to “friend” or “ally” in our language, referred to our traditional Minnesota River Valley homeland as Cansa’yapi (where they marked the trees red)."
Prairie Island Indian Community, MN
"The Mdewakanton, "those who were born of the waters," have lived on Prairie Island for countless generations"
Minne-, michi-, mizzi- refer to water, probably similar to mayyam, omi, mai, mari-, mer- etc.
They used buffalo skin tipis & bark-covered wigwams.
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Interesting! I, too, am originally from a river town (Missouri). I was always told that Missouri means "land of big canoes." BTW, we natives pronounce it "Missourah".
ReplyDeleteAlula sounds like Semitic "layla" which means "night." At night we rest, recline, lull and loll. Perhaps it is connected to the idea of stopping our regular activity which is flight in the case of the eagle. Also, ululation is the wagging of the tongue to produce a shrill sound that is reminiscent of an eagle's cry.
I won't even recount what is the PIE of "rudder". It is too fantastic to be endured.
When the rudder is engaged isn't the term to bring the ship "round"? Rota is wheel and radius is a stationary point with a rotating circumference (like a rudder.)
ReplyDeleteBTW, *khwekhwl may be from kick wheel; a potter's wheel and that may be from cook well a hot spring containing coccoliths. I am making a post on it.
That BTW sounds interesting, reminds me of the Manx? flag of 3 running legs around a center.
ReplyDeleteThe first wood paddle may have actually been a hand-held rudder, to steer while punt-poling, only later used for primary propulsion (which allowed the punt pole to morph into har-poon, gaffing hook/shepherds crook and perhaps hand-held mast for temporary sail).
Alula is eagle thumb, Al Ula I'm not sure, but based on Al Jibr/algebra, Alcohol, algorithm, it fits the pattern, and Arab/Central Asians use falcons & eagles to hunt. Dedan/Al Ula is an oasis town near the Red Sea coast but on the inland side of a mountain range, certainly raptors/vultures would have been familiar.
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Astro-Coincidence: "Alula Australis is of profound historical interest. While Mizar was the first known "double star," our Alula was the first double to be identified as physically related (co-orbiting, not mere illusion of duality)." Ursa Major walks on legs identified by three pairs of close but unrelated stars that the ancient Arabs called the "springs (leaps) of the gazelle" that lie north of Leo Minor. From west to east they are Talitha and Kappa UMa, Tania Borealis and Australis, and Alula Borealis and Australis... http://stars.astro.illinois.edu/sow/alulaaus.html
ReplyDeleteSo maybe springing relates to eagle flight control?
perhaps coincidence, but co-orbiting stars resemble vultures circling above a carcass or a pinnacle (rising thermals) aka gyre, while a single bird only shows a radius.
ReplyDeleteUla: possibly an ancient word for swirling spring/oasis cf Lake Hule-Israel?
cf hula-hawaii/ula-tonga dance, lei-samoa
old languages Lithuania/Estonia harbors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ula
Also, the Manchu Ula tribe were mostly traders, buying horses, livestock, and fur from the steppe Mongols and selling them at the Jianzhou (建州) plateau on the Liao river basin, the economic center and farmland of the Manchu region
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Hebrew "kek" is the hoof of horse (kicking?) and also a small creature the size of grain kernel that lives in wool clothing. It is translated as "worm" but, to me, it sounds like a flea (flick? fleck?). Ein BoKEK is an area of Dead Sea thermal springs that effervesces. Other springs around the same area contain coccolith plates of calcium carbonate that were harvested in antiquity. I was bad in chemistry but somehow these must be related. "Kek" translated as worm may have been many different miniscule or even invisible creatures. The O.T. says that a kek (worm) was able to cleave stone without any residual dust. It was given to Solomon to build his temple by the God of the underworld sea. It lived in a lead box. I wonder what this could be? Is there some kind of coccolithic cutting device maybe like a whetstone?
ReplyDelete...springbok
ReplyDeleteTeredo worms & type of snail that (melts) eats through clamshells, wood-boats and limestone, forming 'pocket' caverns.
ReplyDelete"hula-hawaii/ula-tonga dance"
ReplyDeleteKalal = space or hollow (hull?) also a body without a soul.
I think Kalal would be pronounced the same as Arabic "halal" which means "lawful". I don't know how lawful and hollow would sync up, however.
ReplyDeleteKalal is a temple vessel that held the ashes of a red heifer.
ReplyDeleteKalal: inkwell? first a bowl/cell/golu as mortar-pestle to grind charcoal-ochre pigment, then as container for paint-ink-glue, law scrolls.
ReplyDeletewood bowl used to grind mushroom medicine in Europe, Otzi iceman had charcoal-ink tattoos over arthritic joints, ayurvedic = ancient medicine, vedical/medical? cell/golu/bowl
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"tattoos over arthritic joints" OMG! The ashes of red heifer may have been used to fashion Hebrew letters. Bone ash (sed) was used to write letters on Standing Stone Joshua stood up to memorialize crossing Jordan River. Light was thought to "pass through" letter formation to achieve result of letter meaning. The same with 10 commandments. Otzi may have been trying to cure his arthritis by a spell written with some kind of meaningful ink. BTW, Hebrew or Ibiru means "to pass through". I think this refers to the passing though of light through the triangulated letters. Interesting that Hebrew requires a triconsonantal or triliteral root.
ReplyDeleteOops...I meant Ivrit - not Ibiru.
ReplyDeleteinkwell similar sound to kwekwel, inkpot (covered?), maybe early clay pot on rotating pottery wheel ... ink + drav/g = engrave
ReplyDeleteoddity: often old bibles are covered with calfskin with gold "graven images" (embossed letters), reminds me of 'golden calf' prohibition
Grk house - oikos/(wicker/wigwam)
ReplyDeleteGrk home - domos (Latin domus, Skrt dama)
Grk within - endo
Grk 'at home' - endomos? endemic?
Mbuti house - mongolu (dome form)
Mbuti home - endura
Mbuti within - endu
Mbuti 'at home' - enduma?
Greek started with cut & bound wicker huts, then axed timber rectilinear buildings
taba - taper - tap root - tattoo
ReplyDeletetaba/taper - angled table steps (mastaba)
tap - faucet/keg peg rapped into cask
tattoo - Polynesian tatu (tapping hollow pointed cylinder needle of ink into skin)
tent peg/stake holds diagonal tipi shape up
(Plains Indians used skins & stones, later string stakes for canvas to prevent rotting cloth), Bedu used goat/camel hair tents
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Nets & bas-kets filter, separating the large from the small, the small is drained, but when the filter interstital holes are too small all the remains are cont-ained)
ReplyDeletecontained - con-tent (tent- fine cloth net)
ReplyDeletetattoo, one source says from Dutch tap+toe (shut)
endura - 'in doors'...
dur/door/tor/toe old door swung out/in on doorsill/threshold stone which engraved a bowl shape
'evidence from other parts of Kish that this schistose rock (gypsum), besides
being burnt for plaster, was used for the lintels of narrow doorways and door sills'.
All ancient doors were hung by pivots at the top and bottom of the hanging stile which worked in sockets in the lintel and sill, the latter being always in some hard stone such as basalt or granite.
maybe... door swinging made a mortar bowl/inkwell
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ReplyDelete"teppa" is Tamil for a roundboat/basket/bowl boat of woven coconut fronds
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